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innocentboy
06-06-2006, 08:29 PM
24pp + cover. Inside as 4/4 on 50lb house offset and cover as 4/1 on 60lb house offset.

2) Same as above except changed to 16pp+ cover

:blink: :huh: :sure:

KuzuD
06-06-2006, 10:10 PM
Your standard HP inkjet printer paper is 24lb (I've got some cheap stuff that's 20lb), so the paper that you'll be getting is a little thicker and heavier (the lb refers to the weight per x # of reams, but I can't recall off the top of my head how many. I think a case).

And in case you weren't sure, 4/4 means 4 colors on each side (front/back) for your interiors.

The cover will be Color front and back, but the inside front/back covers will be in black & white-4/1

innocentboy
06-06-2006, 11:11 PM
sounds all right to me!

thanks for the info! appreciate it!

MrGranger
06-06-2006, 11:35 PM
I prefer 50# myself.

innocentboy
06-06-2006, 11:48 PM
50 don't
BACK DOWN!

T.J. May
06-06-2006, 11:58 PM
24pp + cover. Inside as 4/4 on 50lb house offset and cover as 4/1 on 60lb house offset.

2) Same as above except changed to 16pp+ cover

:blink: :huh: :sure:

I think 24pp actually refers to 24 INTERIOR pages (not lbs.)+ the Cover. Your interior is 50 pound, with a 60 pound cover. The 4/4 and 4/1 is a ratio for color versus black and white.

Offset means they press the ink into the paper, as opposed to toner on top of the paper.

And it's the same scenario for your 16 pager.

--T

innocentboy
06-07-2006, 01:03 AM
yeah, pretty much figured out the pp

those weights are good i guess?

T.J. May
06-07-2006, 08:43 AM
For offset those pounds are just fine. We did a 70# for Catching Lucifer's Lunch, but it's a bound OGN with a 12pt. cover stock (which sort of a card stock). So, 50 for a saddle stitched should be fine.

albone
06-07-2006, 09:48 AM
yeah, pretty much figured out the pp

those weights are good i guess?

Those are good weights.

You'd be fine with 40# for the interior pages, in my opinion. Printers seem to jack up the price for the higher the weight you go, and *I* just don't think its necessary to print BW on anything higher than 40# 50# is nice and 60# is just showing off.

Cover stock I tend to favor 80# (gloss or not) up to 100#. After 100# you're starting to get super stiff material.

Just my opinion from working in a print shop.

jmandryk
06-07-2006, 10:20 AM
Offset paper is an economy paper with a special attribute. It absorbs printers ink, like the blotter paper which it resembles. 50# is equivilant to #20 Bond, "Bond" paper has a clay or varnish coating on the surface to allow it to receive toner easier which also makes it absorb less printers ink which can be a bad thing as some inks just don't ever dry (reflex blue)... If you have any solids in your book I wouldn't recommend anything less than 50# and thats pushing it.. (p.s. the only printing press's (offset) than can take paper less than 50# are "web" offset which are great for high run length jobs but suffer greatly for quality and ink density... Those types of press's take paper from a roll as opposed to a sheet fed offset press which takes single precut sheets.. As you can apply more pressure to a sheet fed press you get better impressions with more ink control.. resulting in a being able to print a higher lpi (lines per inch) and less dot gain (dot gain is the dots that make up a half tone image spread when they are squeezed onto a sheet of paper resulting in your image filling in and looking muddy).. Oh looky I'm rambling

Jeff Mandryk
SIPS Comics
www.wedocomics.com

innocentboy
06-07-2006, 03:30 PM
nothing wrong with rambling,
ramble away

Deadfish07
06-07-2006, 03:44 PM
Your interior is 50 pound, with a 60 pound cover.

--T

That's one heavy comic book.