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eDuke 12-12-2018 06:56 PM

Suggestion Time!
 
Give it to me...what would you like to see here implemented on the site?

Steven Forbes 12-12-2018 07:13 PM

And the flood gates have been opened...

12013 12-12-2018 11:22 PM

Im not sure what to suggest. What could be done thats not already available? What options are there?

sevans 12-13-2018 06:59 AM

Sometimes I lack motivation or a subject to actually draw.

How about a monthly drawing challenge?

eDuke 12-13-2018 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sevans (Post 1878186)
Sometimes I lack motivation or a subject to actually draw.

How about a monthly drawing challenge?

Oooo. I like that!

Bishop 12-13-2018 05:21 PM

I love the drawing challenge idea. Those were fun when we did those in the past.

It would be cool if Q&A's could be scheduled with some industry pro's. Kind of an AMA type thing.

eDuke 12-13-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop (Post 1878189)
It would be cool if Q&A's could be scheduled with some industry pro's. Kind of an AMA type thing.

Been thinking about doing this for Digital Webbing Live, the YouTube channel.

paul brian deberry 12-14-2018 12:01 PM

Active mods that post weekly challenges. Polls. Drawing and writing prompt. A "hookup" area.
Hookup area example: Hey you wanna draw/write/letter something for fun to post to the boards? Sure, Sounds fun.

Bring back the chat area or like we briefly discussed use that Slack account so anyone can drop in and out and chat.

A true pimping area

Make Rob and Bishop a mod of the art area. Let me mod the writing area...

paul brian deberry 12-14-2018 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Forbes (Post 1878177)
And the flood gates have been opened...

It amuses me that Forbes appears every chance Ed posts. Not sure why... but it does.

paul brian deberry 12-14-2018 12:13 PM

A monthly fight club.
Every month, two people fight, not real fighting (I would pay to see that.) But, a challenge where poster x challenges poster y to a fight over something. I can draw the best Spider-man punching Batman or I can write this dialogue about how to eat a ham sandwich better than you.

Mod drops a poll. Everyone votes. Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner.
just like in Fight Club everyone fights. You don't fight. Your vote doesn't count.

paul brian deberry 12-14-2018 12:36 PM

Bring back Digital Webbing Presents. Reboot the damn thing from the ground up. Make it 100% digital.

A bi-monthly newsletter. What's Ed Dukshire lettering? Was there something being crowdfunded you thought looked cool. Spotlight an artist from the board.

eDuke 12-14-2018 12:56 PM

Anymore, Paul? LOL

eDuke 12-14-2018 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by paul brian deberry (Post 1878209)
Bring back Digital Webbing Presents. Reboot the damn thing from the ground up. Make it 100% digital.

Was there something being crowdfunded you thought looked cool. Spotlight an artist from the board.

- DWP: I really want to bring this back. Was putting out feelers a few months ago but once I researched the state of the industry and it also brought up old memories of creators trashing on me if they were rejected... made me rethink it. I'll eventually figure out how to proceed with it.

- Crowdfunding: I'm a big believer in this. Lots of projects wouldn't see the light of day without it. When I first dove into it, I had dreams it was a community of creators all pitching in and supporting each other... but that didn't really happen. Currently the most successful ones are created by well-established pros or people that have a huge social media reach. The Digital Webbing YouTube channel (once it gets rolling, it's already launched) will focus on promoting cool projects tho.

- Spotlighting Creators: This goes all the way back to when I first launched this site and it's definitely something I want to implement back in. I started experimenting with it utilizing the front page and created tiles pointing to forum posts. I saw some of the view counts bump up, but it ended up being a lot of work and little draw. There used to be a monthly spotlight which I may bring back where I pick one creator and create a showcase page for them. It'd be cool to make it like an ArtStation page.

paul brian deberry 12-14-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878212)
Anymore, Paul? LOL

Oh, I have.

paul brian deberry 12-14-2018 01:27 PM

A workshop. Similar to what Rob did with the Hellboy stuff. None of that Kickstarter crap or public domain stuff.

Poll together a hero and a theme.
Bring together a team.
Write. Draw. Letter. Have fun.

Bishop 12-14-2018 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878191)
Been thinking about doing this for Digital Webbing Live, the YouTube channel.

That would be awesome

12013 12-14-2018 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by paul brian deberry (Post 1878216)
A workshop. Similar to what Rob did with the Hellboy stuff. None of that Kickstarter crap or public domain stuff.

Poll together a hero and a theme.
Bring together a team.
Write. Draw. Letter. Have fun.

I just wanted the work that so many people put in to be able to be seen and utilized anywhere and everywhere a person wanted to take it. I know that for me, if a project has a chance of being seen..SOMEwhere...like a finished lettered project...that reads as a complete and whole story, im MUCH more interested in giving my all to the project. but being serious, if its just a few of us just putting something together just for the hell of it with no real plan...then..why would I care as much?
I will admit that that is basically what the xmen projects were but we still pulled together quite the group with a LOT of solid work. and the Hellboy thing much more so, as it turned into a book that could actually be read and had a definitive beginning, middle and end. and that was really done just for the hell of it. so I don't know what it was made people interested but what I DO know..based on my experience, is that it needs to be a solid an simple enough premise that anyone can get in on AND it absolutely MUST have someone commited to seeing it thru to the end as a "project manager" or sorts.. handing out "assignments" and recruiting creators and posting consistently to keep peoples interest peaked with a definitive GOAL we are working towards. if its just us saying "hey...lets all do this" and then its left to us all just doing whatever we want whenever want with no "push", nothing will happen.

sorry..im just rambling here..streaming my thoughts as they come. im just completely convinced that we have a massive resource here.. those xmen and hellboy projects showed that when things run right and gel right, we actually CAN produce a finished book that actually looks pretty damn good. what was the hellboy book page count...80 or so? we can make comics here...decent ones..we have all the talent needed right here.

it just has to be focused properly. and a goal to push for brings all the boys to the yard so to speak. the DWP seems to excite people being that its a thing that actually has a name attached to it that the industry knows and gets us all a chance to put something out there that will be seen by more readers than any of us would have a chance to otherwise(even if that number is still small). its a shame that, based on Ed's post up there, that it became kind of a bitch with creators giving him shit. some people get picked. some don't.

heres what I think. I know another small publisher that's putting out tons of books with his small press imprint. utilizing public domain characters and their own stuff. tons of books available to digital release and some print. most as small as 8 page stories. BUT..im my opinion, the problem is that the stuff is SO BORING. its ALL cliché standard superhero fare.. or pulp hero stuff..but everything is stuff ive seen before..done better(especially most of the art). all these people are giving their all..doing their best. but its all completely generic.

I want to see creators bust out and be able to do some indie stuff that pushes boundries. not just safe all ages boring super hero stuff. I would like a format that lets us do something different. dark. edgy. sexy. DWP "dark" or DWP "mature".
kids don't read comics. lets write some stuff that's to the audience that's actually out there and will read this stuff. something new and different unique indie creator stuff with no limits(well, almost none). THATS what id be interested in and put MY best efforts into.
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anyway..ill chime out now.... sorry.. haha.

Facundo Ezequiel 12-16-2018 02:33 PM

All of the above.

I like what everyone is saying and I really want to see what kind of content comes out of the YouTube channel, I'm already subscribed with that bell thing on and all.

Everyone these days seem to have a podcast, and for me that's definitely a must for when I'm working and I can't take the time to look at the heads talking. Even if it's a monthly thing it would be great to hear the DW perspective on things like workflow, comic book formats, genres, etc. It would be wonderful to go as technical as possible with every subject and having guests that can expand on it with real life examples of how everything works.

Anyone here uses Discord? It's great for the community stuff like having silly conversations through chat or with voice in real time, sharing images, videos and all of that. The forum is great for the timeless stuff and to have discussions stored neatly, but I think for quick conversations and the not so serious stuff Discord is great.

I want DW to gain more ground again, so we should be doing what everyone is doing and then some.

PixelisedMind 12-16-2018 06:13 PM

Increasing the user base is important, and these days content is key for doing that. A balance between resource, entertainment and social space.

Articles, interviews catered towards new creators and those already involved in the industry would be great, but require staff (you may have this option, I don't know). Video casts and video workshops and tutorials may be too resource heavy right away. I believe that the main resource is user generated on the forum though, as it has been in the past, and you wouldn't require these other things with a healthier population.

I personally think that Podcasts are a strong way to go, and less involved when it comes to creating (writing, editing, etc). They're a good way to talk shop in a more casual manner, you can cover a whole range of discussions linked to comics that could be accompanied by simple related articles or transcripts, or a dedicated forum post for listeners/creators old and new to talk it over, especially if those involved in the episode take part (possibly with an Ask Me Anything). It's a good way to drive that niche traffic to the forums.

It'd be nice to get a bunch of regular guests with enough experience to really delve into the business and the creative side, but also perhaps nice to see something from DW alumni, a spotlight show or a discussion on how they've progressed due to (or in part because of) their use of the website. It's on topic, but drives attention to the website and forum.

If it helps bring traffic back, then it hopefully opens up talent that can get involved with DWP, which in itself brings back attention to the forum, but also offers a lot of conversation for a podcast.

sevans 12-16-2018 10:50 PM

Just my extra 2 cents...don't do the rambling epic 2 hour videos or podcasts.

You can show some real time etc, but please edit the 'filler'.
Unless your Frank Frazetta I don't need to see it all.

paul brian deberry 12-17-2018 07:06 PM

oooohhh Digital Webbing podcast.

I want this more than anything!

eDuke 12-17-2018 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by paul brian deberry (Post 1878263)
oooohhh Digital Webbing podcast.

I want this more than anything!

I'm really having a tough time getting people involved with this. Are you up for it, Paul? Pick a bunch of times and send me a PM.

paul brian deberry 12-17-2018 08:41 PM

That seems crazy.

B-McKinley 12-19-2018 05:41 PM

I've been wondering if there is a comic-equivalent to NaNoWriMo. I know about 24-Hour-Comic Day, but it's just a little too all or nothing. I think there's probably a space for something slower paced. And it naturally connects both to a sequence of weekly (daily?) challenges and potential anthologies.

The other thing that I can't find yet is a good place for accountability partnering (that isn't an overloaded social network). The "what did you do this week" thread is pretty close to that idea, but I almost imagine it like an informal help wanted area.

eDuke 12-26-2018 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by B-McKinley (Post 1878310)
I've been wondering if there is a comic-equivalent to NaNoWriMo. I know about 24-Hour-Comic Day, but it's just a little too all or nothing. I think there's probably a space for something slower paced. And it naturally connects both to a sequence of weekly (daily?) challenges and potential anthologies.

The other thing that I can't find yet is a good place for accountability partnering (that isn't an overloaded social network). The "what did you do this week" thread is pretty close to that idea, but I almost imagine it like an informal help wanted area.

I'm not sure what NaNoWriMo is.
The other thing you mention sounds more like blog-like posts?

sevans 12-26-2018 06:21 PM

After rereading some of these posts, I second the idea from Rob about a project with a more mature theme.

He is correct, comics are for adults now. Xbox and internet are for the kids.
We need an overall goal to work towards...that we can then create 'how to' or 'work in progress' content.

Bishop 12-27-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 12013 (Post 1878228)
I want to see creators bust out and be able to do some indie stuff that pushes boundries. not just safe all ages boring super hero stuff. I would like a format that lets us do something different. dark. edgy. sexy. DWP "dark" or DWP "mature".
kids don't read comics. lets write some stuff that's to the audience that's actually out there and will read this stuff. something new and different unique indie creator stuff with no limits(well, almost none). THATS what id be interested in and put MY best efforts into.

I love this idea. In my mind the problem is that so many creators think 'mature/edgy/sexy' means you just have to throw in a bunch of f-bombs, gore, and gratuitous t&a. To me that stuff isn't mature, it's the opposite.

eDuke 12-27-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sevans (Post 1878378)
After rereading some of these posts, I second the idea from Rob about a project with a more mature theme.

He is correct, comics are for adults now. Xbox and internet are for the kids.
We need an overall goal to work towards...that we can then create 'how to' or 'work in progress' content.

I don't agree with this. Kids (under the age of 18) still read comics which is why you don't see all publishers switch everything to a mature only rating. Comics can still be aimed at mature readers without labeling them mature comics.

pandayboss 12-28-2018 07:50 PM

I really like the idea of bringing back DWP! It's been awhile that we see new generation of DWP projects here. After the later years of 2000, I've seen the changes of materials around and across comics scenes and the coming age of digital comics like comixology. Comics have evolved into a modern age main stream I think. Marvel Comics, DC and Dark Horse and other big names that came about have changed so much, that even Jim Lee's style now is different (my opinion). I think it's time that we follow and join the change. Maybe a new kind of DWP.

What I want to add here is this: why don't we have a show case of different stories in different genre threads? We would have horror, sci-fi, hard-boiled and fantasy etc. Any team would produce their best product and showcase only 3-4 pages including a mock cover with a short synopsis. Each entry would be 6-8 pages and up to maximum 10 pages. All entries would be inked and colored except lettering which could be optional too. You, Eduke, would have your editing team to look through and approved any entry/ies to be included in the DWP issues for the line up submissions to Comixology.

Just an idea...:D

B-McKinley 12-31-2018 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878375)
I'm not sure what NaNoWriMo is.
The other thing you mention sounds more like blog-like posts?

NaNoWriMo is national novel writing month (November). People challenge themselves to write 50K words of a novel in one month. After writing it down, it occurred to me that in theory comics are usually created in one month, but in practice it takes longer than that for a lot of people professional and otherwise.

Accountability coaching/partners is a concept where you have a peer who you check in with on a regular (often weekly) basis. You usually each set goals and then at the next appointment discuss your success (or not) in reaching the goal. It's not so much about critiquing, as it is about having someone hold you accountable so you have a stronger incentive to keep making progress. Usually it's set up as a mutual arrangement.

eDuke 01-01-2019 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pandayboss (Post 1878392)
Comics have evolved into a modern age main stream I think. Marvel Comics, DC and Dark Horse and other big names that came about have changed so much, that even Jim Lee's style now is different (my opinion). I think it's time that we follow and join the change. Maybe a new kind of DWP.

I'm probably the last guy on earth who would be good for this type of book. I'm just not a fan of new mainstream comics. I get that there are lots of people out there that love the ultra-realistic style of art we're seeing nowadays (and I'm not saying it's bad) but I lean more towards the stylistic type of art from older comics.

As far as DWP is concerned, I did a lot of thinking on this because I do want to bring it back, but I want to avoid all the bad experiences and financial burden I had with it in its first go. I love the idea of creator-owned and I believe everyone should focus on getting their ideas out there. Nowadays we're at a point where people can just post their creations online or do print-on-demand, I don't think there's a need for a collaborative anthology like DWP was.

12013 01-01-2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878446)
I'm probably the last guy on earth who would be good for this type of book. I'm just not a fan of new mainstream comics. I get that there are lots of people out there that love the ultra-realistic style of art we're seeing nowadays (and I'm not saying it's bad) but I lean more towards the stylistic type of art from older comics.

As far as DWP is concerned, I did a lot of thinking on this because I do want to bring it back, but I want to avoid all the bad experiences and financial burden I had with it in its first go. I love the idea of creator-owned and I believe everyone should focus on getting their ideas out there. Nowadays we're at a point where people can just post their creations online or do print-on-demand, I don't think there's a need for a collaborative anthology like DWP was.

so how about a book where people submit their already completed works... 8-10 pages max, adheres to your guidelines of acceptable content.. etc..etc..

Steven Forbes 01-01-2019 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 12013 (Post 1878451)
so how about a book where people submit their already completed works... 8-10 pages max, adheres to your guidelines of acceptable content.. etc..etc..


That's a good way to get work that isn't usable.

It should be something that's a theme or whatever that's agreed upon, and then stories are pitched, with no more than a page of sample artwork from the prospective artist. This way content starts being curated right away, and creators aren't producing work that won't get published because they aren't yet ready.

I also suggest that there's only one letterer for the entire book. Yes, it sucks, but this will stop the quality from being wildly different from story to story in a single book. (It will also lighten my load a little when it comes to editing.) We can change up the letterer from issue to issue, but not from story to story.

Just an idea.
-Steven

Scribbly 01-02-2019 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Forbes (Post 1878452)
That's a good way to get work that isn't usable.

It should be something that's a theme or whatever that's agreed upon, and then stories are pitched, with no more than a page of sample artwork from the prospective artist. This way content starts being curated right away, and creators aren't producing work that won't get published because they aren't yet ready.

I also suggest that there's only one letterer for the entire book. Yes, it sucks, but this will stop the quality from being wildly different from story to story in a single book. (It will also lighten my load a little when it comes to editing.) We can change up the letterer from issue to issue, but not from story to story.

Just an idea.
-Steven

I agree with this. Less talk and more walk. How to make comics or podcasts about comics we can find a lot at yutubey's , websites & blogs.
We are here for comics making. Lets make comics.
We can vote for what genre or theme and start working the scripts and artwork from there. As we did already.

For avoiding former bad experiences and financial burden, such material could be published later on some Comixology place or whatsoever.
And see what happen.

If the material works well, maybe eDuke or somebody else would like bring the whole book to printed format.

My two cents.

NatMatt 01-03-2019 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Scribbly (Post 1878460)
I agree with this. Less talk and more walk. How to make comics or podcasts about comics we can find a lot at yutubey's , websites & blogs.
We are here for comics making. Lets make comics.
We can vote for what genre or theme and start working the scripts and artwork from there. As we did already.

For avoiding former bad experiences and financial burden, such material could be published later on some Comixology place or whatsoever.
And see what happen.

If the material works well, maybe eDuke or somebody else would like bring the whole book to printed format.

My two cents.

If I could offer my two cents, I'd say we should consider going with a single theme for DWP (if we're moving forward with it of course). Something genre related like horror or Sci-fi, like what Alterna's IF anthology does every year. It keeps things consistent and doesn't result in a whole mesh of random stories collected into a single anthology. Also, while I don't totally agree with the idea of a single letterers I think it would probably be a good idea to have a small select handful of letterers and colorists to avoid things from getting too muddled. Last thing, I think it would be best if it's distributed through Comixology and 100% digital. As great as it would be to see it on print, I feel this would help ease some of the financial burden.

Again, these are just my two cents on the matter. Like many artists here, I really want to see DWP return. Rob said it best, we all want to get published and see our work get recognition. I personally want something like DWP to succeed even if I don't get to be apart of it. Let's keep these ideas coming and hopefully we can come to some type of compromise that gets DWP back on print.

eDuke 01-14-2019 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NatMatt (Post 1878470)
If I could offer my two cents, I'd say we should consider going with a single theme for DWP (if we're moving forward with it of course). Something genre related like horror or Sci-fi, like what Alterna's IF anthology does every year. It keeps things consistent and doesn't result in a whole mesh of random stories collected into a single anthology. Also, while I don't totally agree with the idea of a single letterers I think it would probably be a good idea to have a small select handful of letterers and colorists to avoid things from getting too muddled. Last thing, I think it would be best if it's distributed through Comixology and 100% digital. As great as it would be to see it on print, I feel this would help ease some of the financial burden.

Again, these are just my two cents on the matter. Like many artists here, I really want to see DWP return. Rob said it best, we all want to get published and see our work get recognition. I personally want something like DWP to succeed even if I don't get to be apart of it. Let's keep these ideas coming and hopefully we can come to some type of compromise that gets DWP back on print.

Here are my thoughts; going all digital is something anyone can do on their own by utilizing a website or forum. Also, even though ComiXology does eliminate printing costs, there's still quarterly accounting that someone has to do and I would pity the person that has to figure out how much each contributor gets and ultimately be the one filing taxes on said sales. There's just too many things going against it.

pandayboss 01-19-2019 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878583)
Here are my thoughts; going all digital is something anyone can do on their own by utilizing a website or forum. Also, even though ComiXology does eliminate printing costs, there's still quarterly accounting that someone has to do and I would pity the person that has to figure out how much each contributor gets and ultimately be the one filing taxes on said sales. There's just too many things going against it.

I understand where you're coming from Eduke. Yup, it's very involved and time & money consuming and unsure of any revenue coming back.

Just a thought:

How about hosting an online comics here in DW to read for FREE with an option to buy the printed version through IndyPlanet or something. This way, you don't need to worry about the product and the sales if there is. It will also build up your site with up and coming creators and their comics. Same as the thread, someone would look at the content and would give the go ahead for upload. The upload will be for just to sample the comics, maybe 6-10 pages max. :D

JoieSimmons 01-22-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878583)
Here are my thoughts; going all digital is something anyone can do on their own by utilizing a website or forum. Also, even though ComiXology does eliminate printing costs, there's still quarterly accounting that someone has to do and I would pity the person that has to figure out how much each contributor gets and ultimately be the one filing taxes on said sales. There's just too many things going against it.

Not much to do but evolve somehow.
Keep the existing threads but make a showcase thread that you and some admins curate. Stuff that gets some buzz. Find a way to have a thread that can post to Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and draws it back here and the job boards. Like a DW Showcase thread that blasts to the entire internet.

Not so much a popularity contest by admins, but stuff that's genuinely gaining interest on the boards. Build up the interaction if that's even possible anymore.

eDuke 01-22-2019 01:43 PM

@Dario -- I like the idea of hosting online comics that this community can participate in. Almost like what we just did with the Hellboy collaboration but we can do it like a comic strip or something so creators won't feel overwhelmed with producing 6-10 pagers.

@Joie -- Believe me, I've been thinking of a way to do this. I'd like to make it look a little more elaborate than how the current forum system showcases it tho. I think I know of a way to do it, but it'll require some Wordpress tweaking and that's my problem right now, I'm a Wordpress newbie.

JoieSimmons 01-23-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eDuke (Post 1878660)
@Dario -- I like the idea of hosting online comics that this community can participate in. Almost like what we just did with the Hellboy collaboration but we can do it like a comic strip or something so creators won't feel overwhelmed with producing 6-10 pagers.

@Joie -- Believe me, I've been thinking of a way to do this. I'd like to make it look a little more elaborate than how the current forum system showcases it tho. I think I know of a way to do it, but it'll require some Wordpress tweaking and that's my problem right now, I'm a Wordpress newbie.

If you get that far (I know nothing about WordPress) look at IFTTT to automate everything across the entire internet.


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