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Old 04-26-2015, 09:34 PM   #31
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The thing is, I've tried reading his Bolts and Nuts articles, but it's like sitting through a lecture on the evolution of the house fern. I've read computer programming and math books that were more engaging.
This is the first time I've ever heard that I'm boring. I've tried very hard to make them informative, accessible, and very straightforward. Sometimes I'm even playful in them. But this is the first time I've ever heard that I'm boring.

Then again, it could be that it's missing what you're looking to get out of them. I don't know what that could be, but I'd be interested to find out.
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Old 04-26-2015, 11:28 PM   #32
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Riding a bike is fun... reading a book that tells you how to ride a bike is measurably less fun.

Makes sense to me.
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Old 04-29-2015, 12:33 PM   #33
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I don't know what that could be, but I'd be interested to find out.
One of the biggest problems is repetition:

"Like I said before, the plot is a guide or roadmap for your story."

"As stated above, this plot is nothing more than a roadmap,..."

Not only did you say the same thing, but you pretty much said the exact same thing, twice.

"...but otherwise, itís a roadmap for you."

There's that word again. You like buzzwords.

"Like I said before, this is the way I do it. "

A lot of "like I said before" or "as stated above".

Seems you're as guilty of referring back to something above as I am.
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Old 04-29-2015, 01:40 PM   #34
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Doesn't answer the implied question. Then again, I really wasn't expecting you to.

Doesn't matter. It was idle curiosity. I'm no longer curious.
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When I was starting out I read lots of Bolts and Nuts. I found it hard going. By comparison, TPG was much easier.

In trying to answer 'why' it might be because with a TPG you can hang the lessons on the framework of the submitted story. So the very best TPGs are when someone has submitted a really good story with a number of writing technical errors.

This means I enjoy the story and learn some stuff along the way.

All that said, Bolts and Nuts appears to be a primer for TPG. If you read and follow the advice in B&N, you'll receive a proportion less grief if you submit to TPG.
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All that said, Bolts and Nuts appears to be a primer for TPG. If you read and follow the advice in B&N, you'll receive a proportion less grief if you submit to TPG.
I went over the characterization article and found it superficial at best with a big tangent that had me saying to myself "get to the point" and went the point finally came up, it was a let down.

Perhaps the business related articles will prove better.
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I would like to go back to the eight panels thing. I think eight panels is perfectly acceptable in a nine panel grid. There is nothing wrong with the way it looks and I never get confused about what panel to read next.
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I went over the characterization article and found it superficial at best with a big tangent that had me saying to myself "get to the point" and went the point finally came up, it was a let down.

Perhaps the business related articles will prove better.
If you mean the week 003, I just read it and saw two examples of aspects of characterization in Spider-Man and Deadpool. I saw nothing I'd call a "tangent."

What were you hoping/expecting to get out of the B&N articles?
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If you mean the week 003, I just read it and saw two examples of aspects of characterization in Spider-Man and Deadpool. I saw nothing I'd call a "tangent."
Pen-man? Seriously? That was such an unnecessary tangent for his to take, it really put me off that article.

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Something that's actually informative.

The interview process does not at all give a basis for a character. The basis, the want, the need, the flaw, those need to be there first, before you go onto the interview process. Perhaps there is a ghost in his/her past. That should be there so it can actually affect the interviewee's responses and how they respond.


Nevermind. There are a number of books out there that do better. I mean, way better. Yes, his crap is free, but it's crap, so it should be free.


I'll stick to my books on storycraft. I consider Forbes articles on story craft to be terrible, superficial and grandstanding rather than educational.
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Yes, his crap is free, but it's crap, so it should be free.

I'll stick to my books on storycraft. I consider Forbes articles on story craft to be terrible, superficial and grandstanding rather than educational.
I have to admit, you're the first person I've recommended B&N to that feels this way. And I've recommended that column to a lot of people. I get the feeling your judgement might be a little clouded by emotions- looking for the rock rather than the diamond, as it were. Not that there's anything wrong with that- you're allowed to just flat-out not like a guy or his work.

Have you checked out Jim Zub's tutorials? He's written some good stuff: http://jimzub.tumblr.com/tutorials
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He's butt-hurt and doesn't like me. It's okay. I don't mind. I have more than enough people telling me that the articles are useful, informative, and entertaining. I don't need to bat a thousand. While it would be nice, I've done what I set out to do, which was help and inform creators. As long as that's true, I'm good.

Who knows? Maybe Robert will go on to create comics we're all envious of, and he doesn't need a jerk like me trying to help him. It could happen.

Anyone have anything else to say about the script?
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I actually know someone who had that happen to them.

Don't worry, they turned off the machine quickly and were fine. Their fingers just hurt for awhile. But what I wanted to say is that when your fingers are being scrapped by a grinder, nothing is more deserving of attention or more interesting than that.
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Who knows? Maybe Robert will go on to create comics we're all envious of, and he doesn't need a jerk like me trying to help him. It could happen.
It's not what you criticize, it's how. It's as unprofessional as I've ever seen. You called Beavis and Butthead as the start of the downfall of MTV. I can give you that. But you play the Gordon Ramsey card for ratings and that is the downfall of culture in general.

Again, there is some value in what you said, but how you say it puts people off. Yeah, I would probably get worse from others, probably people I don't care to hear from, but as a reviewer for improvement, you just come across as a complete douche.

And I'll still stick by the statement that your articles are at best, superficial. You waste a lot of valuable space on unessential speak.
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It's not what you criticize, it's how. It's as unprofessional as I've ever seen. You called Beavis and Butthead as the start of the downfall of MTV. I can give you that. But you play the Gordon Ramsey card for ratings and that is the downfall of culture in general.

Again, there is some value in what you said, but how you say it puts people off. Yeah, I would probably get worse from others, probably people I don't care to hear from, but as a reviewer for improvement, you just come across as a complete douche.

And I'll still stick by the statement that your articles are at best, superficial. You waste a lot of valuable space on unessential speak.
It's called "the proving grounds", not the "I'll hold your hand until you get it" grounds. Did you read any entries before you submitted? Do any research at all? If the answer to that is "no," then that's on you.

I know exactly how I look. I look like an asshole who doesn't take shit from writers. I hand it out evenly, and I give credit where it's due. I'm hard on everyone, and when writers do well, I say so.

You didn't do well. That means you need to work harder at it.

Also, I'm just a guy with an educated opinion. Singular in nature. Others may think you're a genius. Their opinion of your work could be the polar opposite of mine.

Get over it. Work on your craft. Thats how you get better.

As for your opinions on my articles...that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. They're not your cup of tea. Please let us know if you find any other free resource with the same breadth and depth. I'm always on the lookout for different voices.
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